tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post8778544364887552532..comments2024-01-29T10:16:00.995+00:00Comments on CALLED TO THE BAR : Moor keg conditioned beer anyone?Adrian Tierney-Joneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05421802854011395300noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-15694049937740845882010-06-25T20:24:58.586+01:002010-06-25T20:24:58.586+01:00Anonymous — good point, it would be good to know t...Anonymous — good point, it would be good to know though whether you’re a brewer or publican or a member of the British beer drinking public.Adrian Tierney-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05421802854011395300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-25967556295037218692010-06-25T15:58:12.578+01:002010-06-25T15:58:12.578+01:00It would be interesting to see everyones opinion w...It would be interesting to see everyones opinion when tasted blind. Unfortunately the British beer drinking public suffers due to misplaced preconceptions and sometimes very narrow minded views. There really aren't any authoritative knowledgeable beer writers so in the beer world everyone with an opinion is an authority. Which is great-if we all had open minds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-2213428789673295892010-06-25T00:54:01.533+01:002010-06-25T00:54:01.533+01:00@Barm & similarly hilarious is the IMO misguid...@Barm & similarly hilarious is the IMO misguided practice of some US pubs/breweries seemingly serving cask beer as cloudy as possible, as if to prove its unfiltered nature. <br /><br />Generally UK brewers, pub landlords & drinkers see cloudy cask beer as a sign of there being a problem (which, as I say, if the cloudiness is yeast, then for me there is a problem - it's likely to taste harshly bitter i.e. 'yeast bitten').MicMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08464263001561643944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-7926367251475631692010-06-23T22:40:25.657+01:002010-06-23T22:40:25.657+01:00Barm there was a cover story in AAB about cask in ...Barm there was a cover story in AAB about cask in the US recently and a similar thought shot across the firmament of my mind. At the end of the day what we want is good, delicious beer that shakes the apples out of the tree of complacency and gets us glad to be up in the morning (even on a Monday).Adrian Tierney-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05421802854011395300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-82604817629584471332010-06-23T22:17:35.866+01:002010-06-23T22:17:35.866+01:00It's hilarious that people here are slowly reh...It's hilarious that people here are slowly rehabilitating gas pressure and bright beer while the Americans are starting to play with cask conditioning.<br /><br />Oddly enough, I have the impression that pouring technique makes more of a difference with CO2 dispense than it does with real ale. <br /><br />BTW West generally filter their pale lagers, but don't bother with the dark ones where you don't see the difference.Rob Sterowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870233673933087794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-17742390775816970512010-06-23T22:13:11.985+01:002010-06-23T22:13:11.985+01:00MicMac — going back to my visit I don’t think Alas...MicMac — going back to my visit I don’t think Alastair filters his beers at the Old Brewery, but it’s a question I will ask, problem with being a journalist is one (ie me) can be a bit broad brush.Adrian Tierney-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05421802854011395300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-35952254453781292242010-06-22T23:46:30.465+01:002010-06-22T23:46:30.465+01:00@The Beer Nut - Ah OK, I didn't know that, I t...@The Beer Nut - Ah OK, I didn't know that, I think I was getting KeyKegs (cardboard outer, plastic liner) mixed up with a different all-plastic disposable keg (i.e. using extraneous CO2, not air) but I can now find nothing about them on the web!<br /><br />These from Cypherco are different again -<br />http://www.cypherco.com/acatalog/Beverage_Containers.html<br />(multi-use plastic kegs)<br /><br />@ATJ Moravka Lager is apparently occasionally served unfiltered, cloudy & keg - 'Krasnovice'<br />http://www.moravka-lager.co.uk/#/lager/4534641732<br /><br />The Duotank style vessels work perfectly well with filtered or unfiltered beer - so I'm not sure if Meantime's Old Brewery filter their beers or not.MicMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08464263001561643944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-54414541592241523362010-06-22T23:03:13.170+01:002010-06-22T23:03:13.170+01:00Keykegs are different in size, but the principle i...Keykegs are different in size, but the principle is exactly the same.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-81820162679610693562010-06-22T23:01:46.173+01:002010-06-22T23:01:46.173+01:00MicMac — not sure about Morvaka, had very brief em...MicMac — not sure about Morvaka, had very brief email conversation with chap there for my forthcoming All About Beer feature on UK craft brewers; Cotswold filter and I suspect West do. At meantime, Hooky has those larger horizontal tanks with a disposable platic bag, as the air doesn’t come into contact with the beer — surely real ale by any other name if yeast left in (kellerbier effect).Adrian Tierney-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05421802854011395300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-31160834904444925782010-06-22T22:51:10.892+01:002010-06-22T22:51:10.892+01:00@Jeff Rosenmmeier - apologies Jeff! It's been ...@Jeff Rosenmmeier - apologies Jeff! It's been a long brewday! I was typing away thinking "I know there's someone I'm missing out here!" My bad.<br /><br />@Beer Nut - the keykegs disposable kegs are different to the bag-in-tanks that I mentioned - http://duotank.nl/en These are normally 1000litre horizontal tanks, lined with a disposable plastic bag & normally using a compressor to force the beer to the bar (the compressed air doesn't come into contact with the beer). <br /><br />Re Porterhouse's dark beers, yes I'd forgotten that, but remember it from a series of daft conversations after it appeared on the foreign beer bar at GBBF a while back.<br /><br />The idea is that you transfer the beer with the correct amount of CO2 in solution, then that remains in the beer, meaning you can have more or less C02 to suit the beer (more in lager & weiss, etc)<br /><br />Zerodegs Blackheath has these tanks, I think they're really nifty.<br /><br />@ ATJ - If memory serves from that Lager Seminar you organised, I think another occasional unfiltered UK keg beer is Taddington/Moravka Lager?MicMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08464263001561643944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-17828772963701363392010-06-22T22:27:59.281+01:002010-06-22T22:27:59.281+01:00Martyn
would that we could see it over here in the...Martyn<br />would that we could see it over here in the UK in keg. I’ve never seen it but who knows.Adrian Tierney-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05421802854011395300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-10188880318394636422010-06-22T22:02:11.628+01:002010-06-22T22:02:11.628+01:00Cooper's Sparkling Ale on draught is also, I b...Cooper's Sparkling Ale on draught is also, I believe, an unfiltered "live" pressurised beer.Martyn Cornellhttp://zythophile.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-24727534370612529312010-06-22T20:51:48.918+01:002010-06-22T20:51:48.918+01:00MicMac — you’re right about the bag in tanks at me...MicMac — you’re right about the bag in tanks at meantime, have seen them, Hooky was pretty pleased with them, while your comment about Hoegarden reminds me of the way Addlestones was sold as a ‘real cider’.<br />Beer Nut —Moor is a oretty small brewery, Justin told me the kegs were recyclable, so he was happy to send them around the world<br />Jeff meet Justin, Justin meet Jeff, how about a collaboration keg beer ;-)<br />I was joking about Red Barrel, even if one was in nappies when it was around it has gone down as appalling in the dna of every beer lover in the same way as generations of Central European parents in the middle ages might have warned their kids about the Mongol hordes.Adrian Tierney-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05421802854011395300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-34053898694517123562010-06-22T20:38:42.155+01:002010-06-22T20:38:42.155+01:00Come on MicMac, don't forget about us at Lovib...Come on MicMac, don't forget about us at Lovibonds, we do 100% unfiltered keg beer, as well as 100% unfiltered bottled beer.<br /><br />Red Barrel would have tasted shit out of cask as well. This whole area is one of the biggest uneducated debates ever...don't get me started...Jeff Rosenmeierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14394121696731343956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-4904440796579851642010-06-22T20:34:01.033+01:002010-06-22T20:34:01.033+01:00Porterhouse stouts are also unfiltered.
From talk...Porterhouse stouts are also unfiltered.<br /><br />From talking to one of the Danish brewers, the bag-in-tank KeyKeg type things are indeed nifty, but also hideously expensive.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-89778852580068604502010-06-22T19:15:51.583+01:002010-06-22T19:15:51.583+01:00Unfiltered keg beer is a pretty rare thing in the ...Unfiltered keg beer is a pretty rare thing in the UK - at Zerodegrees Blackheath we would send out kegs to a few local satellite bars owned by the same company. & in the pub itself in my day all of the beers were also unfilteres & indeed with no extraneous gas coming in contact with the beer, as we used bag-in-tank vessels, using compressed air. I think Meantime are now using them at their new Old Brewery - <br /><br />(NB I think Zerodegs' Pilsner may now be filtered, however)<br /><br />I was told that in the past at least, Hoegaarden on tap was unfiltered and in effect 'real beer in keg' - a pub I know had some kind of affidavit from Interbrew confirming this.<br /><br />I think Dark Star may have kegged some unfiltered beers & it may have been a test, but I'm sure I heard about Hobson's putting some beer into nifty disposable plastic kegs (which I'm guessing are similar to the ones Justin is using?)<br /><br />As to the haze 'problem'- I don't mind a bit of protein haze, as to me it's tasteless, but I've got a real thing against beers that are cloudy with yeast (apart from Belgie & German wheats) - I just find the yeast gives a harshly bitter taste, which totally overwhelms the subtler good tastes of malt, hops, etc. But perhaps if someone allowed the worst of the yeast to settle out to the bottom of the cask, & possibly used a slightly shorter keg spear, which would then hopefully pour a bit clearer, leaving the yeast in the bottom of the keg.MicMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08464263001561643944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-7312604682051015772010-06-22T18:27:37.781+01:002010-06-22T18:27:37.781+01:00Told you I wasn’t good with science, thanks to Bar...Told you I wasn’t good with science, thanks to Barm’s question I have just been on the phone to Justin at Moor and the beer is served under gas (post changed slightly) —it can also be depressurised and served through a hand pump. For me this still remains a wonderful halfway house between keg and cask.<br />I wonder though if Red Barrel was utterly delicious would it matter if it came out of the udders of a cow (but on the other hand Red Barrel from what I have been told by the veterans of the great beer wars was utterly rubbish and tasted as if it had come from the udders of a cow)Adrian Tierney-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05421802854011395300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-14207449109533287462010-06-22T15:45:37.876+01:002010-06-22T15:45:37.876+01:00Where's the pressure coming from if not from g...Where's the pressure coming from if not from gas?Rob Sterowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870233673933087794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-52796375694977550462010-06-22T13:36:36.903+01:002010-06-22T13:36:36.903+01:00Sounds like the sort of set up most homebrewers ha...Sounds like the sort of set up most homebrewers have. I do prefer my beer clear though.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844169940650659196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-67132074814420111422010-06-22T12:50:02.556+01:002010-06-22T12:50:02.556+01:00Sounds perfect. I hope it goes into UK distributio...Sounds perfect. I hope it goes into UK distribution too.ZakAveryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01794154105596597019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-35996868453216591552010-06-22T12:40:05.916+01:002010-06-22T12:40:05.916+01:00It's the thin end of a slippery wedge, or some...It's the thin end of a slippery wedge, or something. Do this again AND YOU'LL ALL BE DRINKING RED BARREL BY CHRISTMAS!!!1!The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3076725205410370436.post-18122704454074950022010-06-22T10:24:27.139+01:002010-06-22T10:24:27.139+01:00i soooo want to try this! i love moor beers, i can...i soooo want to try this! i love moor beers, i can just imagine revival on keg.....BeerReviewsAndyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549567405003804994noreply@blogger.com